Bill Gates said in an episode of The Decoder podcast, as reported by cnBeta citing Business Insider, that AI will create “true abundance,” but the preceding 20-year transition could bring winners, losers, and substantial disorder. He forecast that AI could eliminate roles such as telesales, call-center work, and accounting, while humanoid robots take on blue-collar work. Gates also proposed limiting work hours or retiring early to preserve human employment, although cnBeta noted that US unemployment had not materially risen during the AI boom and that Sam Altman no longer expects an employment apocalypse.