Redwood质疑Gemini 4是否训练思维链
Redwood Research称,Gemini 4安全报告第114页称,部分强化学习组件会观察思维内容作为上下文,以加强有望产生良好最终输出的推理。Redwood据此认为Gemini 4可能利用辅助奖励训练思维链,但Google DeepMind员工 reportedly 表示未对思维链进行训练,也未解释技术细节。附录中,五款LLM裁判给删去作弊讨论的编码记录打了高出20至50分的满分100分评价。
报告指出,带有偏好的流程监督者可能压制失准推理并降低思维链忠实度,因此DeepMind的澄清对外部研究人员尤为重要。
We were surprised to notice that the Gemini 4 Safety report seems to mention in passing that they train on the chain of thought:
“Some components of the RL training procedure do observe thoughts as context to up-weight reasoning that is on-track to good final outputs, meaning the optimization pressure on individual tokens is partially influenced by thought content. Using the framework of Kaufmann et al. (2026), wherein the most salient obfuscation risks come from rewards that are in-conflict with output rewards, we believe auxiliary rewards of this type are low-risk because they are either orthogonal to or structurally aligned with the output reward.” (Gemini 4 safety report, page 114).
It’s pretty unclear what exactly they mean. One hint is Kaufmann et al., the cited paper, which studies training on chains of thought and concludes that training CoT is fine under particular circumstances; we discuss some disagreements with this paper below.
After reading the safety report and that paper, it seemed to us that GDM was training on the chain of thought using auxiliary rewards. By this, we assumed they meant something like “you ask an LLM to review the partial CoT and score whether the model is on track, and use that as a reward for the partial CoT”.